Directors Q&A
Q&A with John Burgess and John Singer
In 2021, the advantages of private equity investing remain clear. Here, two of PIP’s Directors discuss their lengthy experience in the industry, the benefits of private equity, and offer their views on PIP’s competitive strengths and outlook.
John Singer
Appointed to the PIP Board on 23 November 2016 30+ years of private equity experience
John Burgess
Appointed to the PIP Board on 23 November 2016 20+ years of private equity experience
Q&A videos series
Hear from private equity veterans, John Burgess and John Singer, as they talk to Helen Steers, Pantheon Partner and manager of PIP, in this six-part interview.
The interview below can be found in PIP’s 2021 Annual Report.
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You are both veterans of the private equity (“PE") industry, with over 50 years of investment experience between you, having invested with your partners more than €55bn in almost 300 companies around the world. What do you see as the main advantages for investors in private equity?
John Singer
Performance! The best PE managers are hands-on, active investors and create substantial value in their underlying portfolio companies. Therefore their investments are able to significantly outperform public markets, in a sustainable way, and over the long term.John Burgess
Early access to exciting, growth-orientated businesses in industry segments that are often under-represented in public markets! With the phenomenon of shrinking public markets, and the fact that many exciting companies stay private for longer, and some never IPO at all, investing in private equity is the only way to have a piece of these attractive opportunities. -
Having participated in the industry for so long, you must have seen some big changes over the past 30 years. Which are the most important of these?
John Burgess
When I first started in the industry, PE was a small part of investors’ portfolios and many institutions had no exposure at all. We had to explain to potential investors how a management buy-out (as they were then called) was structured and created shareholder value. It wasn’t even called “private equity”. Now, the vast majority of the world’s leading institutional investors have an allocation to PE, and this has been growing over time. In addition, individual investors have an increasing appetite for private equity, driven by the search for attractive returns in a low-yielding investment environment. The range of investors looking to invest in private equity has widened, but many are locked out of traditional PE funds which require high minimum investments and are often invitation-only. It also takes years to build a diversified portfolio of investments directly in PE funds, and for many the long fund lives and lack of liquidity are an issue. PIP offers a solution to all of these problems and can be seen as an ideal vehicle for smaller institutional and retail investors to invest part of their portfolio in PE.John Singer
It is not only the investor base that has changed – private equity managers have also evolved enormously over time. In the past, capital gains depended heavily on multiple arbitrage and financial leverage, which PE managers could not control. Nowadays, the best managers create value by implementing significant operational and strategic changes in the underlying portfolio companies – boosting revenues and profits both organically and through buy-and-build strategies. PE firms help company managers improve their businesses through better procurement and supply chain management, the implementation of more effective go-to market strategies, and by investing in systems and processes. They also enhance management teams by recruiting talented people, who they often know and have worked with, into key positions, and augment the company’s Boards of Directors with individuals who can add real expertise and relevant networks for growing the business. -
This brings up an interesting point about value creation and the impact of private equity on society. What do you see as the benefits provided by PE-backed companies, beyond providing economic returns to investors?
John Singer
Private equity managers generally invest for growth – and that means innovation, job creation and a well-managed company that will be around for a long time, beyond the period of ownership of the PE firm. There is a myth out there that PE makes money solely through financial leverage, but this could not be further from the truth. Managers generally use debt in a responsible way, putting businesses on a sure footing so that they can continue to grow and prosper in the future. Growth is the only way to create long-term value, not leverage per se or short-term cash-generation or the one-off benefit of cost-cutting measures. Good PE managers understand this. Another reason why one needs to recognise and have access to the upper quartile fund managers.John Burgess
The private equity industry has embraced ESG and invests responsibly, with a strong emphasis on social impact and governance. Because PE managers generally take meaningful or control equity stakes in their portfolio companies, and their economic interests are aligned with company management teams, they have much more influence over their investments than public equity managers. This means that they have a stronger hand to encourage companies to adhere to best-in-class ESG standards and create businesses that have sustainable value for both investors and society. -
How has this played out over the past 18 months, during the COVID-19 crisis?
John Singer
We have seen the PE industry using its close relationships with its portfolio companies to live up to its high ESG standards, supporting companies, their employees, and local communities throughout this very difficult period. Private equity managers took action early on, ensuring that their portfolio company employees were safe, moving swiftly to online working, and helping their underlying businesses by providing additional capital and expertise to get them through the crisis, positioning them well for the future. For example, when Asian supply chains were disrupted in the early stages of the pandemic, PE firms helped their manufacturing businesses find new sources of parts and materials. Also, as the whole world adjusted to remote working, they assisted their companies with moving their marketing and sales online. In addition, they actively sought ways to participate in the COVID-19 crisis relief effort, some making substantial donations, providing products and services free to healthcare systems and local communities, and in certain cases retooling their portfolio companies to manufacture items that were in short supply such as detergents, hand sanitisers and PPE.John Burgess
From a performance perspective, it’s worth noting that PE came through the past year relatively unscathed. The active, hands-on management style of private equity managers and the fact that many portfolios are orientated towards the more resilient industry sectors, such as information technology, healthcare and consumer services has meant that private companies have been able to grow revenue and profits, and in some cases take advantage of the dislocation and market disruption created by the pandemic to make accretive acquisitions and expand their businesses. Going forward, I expect that PE will continue to be part of the solution – as the world emerges from the COVID-19 and global economic crises, we need strongly growing, innovative companies to create a positive economic impact. -
Turning to PIP, you both joined the Board four years ago, and you both hold substantial shareholdings in the Company. What attracted you to PIP?
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What do you regard as the Company’s competitive strengths?
John Burgess
Selecting and then gaining access to the best private equity funds and co-investments is not easy – it takes a large experienced team, such as the one Pantheon has, decades of building up trusted relationships with top PE managers (who can usually choose with whom they wish to work) and the ability to evaluate them accurately in order to pick the greatest investment opportunities. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and PIP has delivered significant outperformance over more than three decades.John Singer
Producing a strong track record over multiple economic periods and cycles is a huge and rare achievement and not easily replicated. I believe that one of the reasons that Pantheon has been successful is because of its stringent due diligence process. Every co-investment and secondary deal that PIP invests in has been through a “double filter” – firstly a comprehensive evaluation of the private equity manager, and secondly a deep evaluation of the portfolio company itself. This enables PIP to sift through the literally thousands of PE fund and company opportunities in the market, focusing on selecting the very best investments. Dispersion of returns is much higher in private equity than in public markets, so it is absolutely critical to be able to identify and gain access to long-successful top quartile PE managers and co-investment opportunities. -
What changes have you seen at PIP during your tenure, and how do you think the Company is positioned for the future?
John Singer
PIP has evolved quite considerably over the past few years. The company simplified its dual-class capital structure in 2017 and entered into the FTSE 250 index shortly after that. There has been a substantial shift towards co-investments and single asset, manager-led secondaries over the years, which are both very attractive from a portfolio construction and cost-effectiveness standpoint. Also, the Company’s sector mix has moved towards the most resilient industry sectors, with information technology and healthcare being the largest focus. The portfolio has also been rejuvenated, with an average life now of just over five years, which means it is in a prime position to generate liquidity, which is then recycled into new opportunities.John Burgess
The last year has probably been the litmus test of PIP’s strength, flexibility and success. PIP entered the crisis well prepared and this discipline has paid off. The Company has been managed prudently through the crisis and is in a strong position going forward with a well-balanced portfolio and a full pipeline of attractive investment opportunities.
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